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Organic Workgroup Plenary: Minutes and Meeting Notes
November 13, 2002
Rec Pool Lodge, UC Davis


Meeting Agenda

8:00 Registration / breakfast, coffee and tea (organic menu)

8:20

Welcome and Introduction, organic stats update, workgroup projects funded 2002-2003
Sean L. Swezey, Workgroup Chair, UC SAREP

8:45

Desert Organic Vegetable Production Research
Milt McGiffen, Department of Botany and Plant Sciences, UCR

9:10

Salinas Valley Organic Cover Crop Research
Eric Brennan, USDA-ARS, Salinas

9:35

National Organic Program Update panel
Sean L. Swezey, UC SAREP, Ray Green, California Organic Program, CDFA
Stacy Carlsen, Marin County Agricultural Commission

10:00

Break

10:20

Pesticide Residues in Conventional and Organic foods: 3 U.S. Data Sets
Brian Baker, Organic Materials Review Institute, Eugene

10:45

Challenges of Organic Pest Control Research in Vegetable Crops
Bill Chaney, Farm Advisor, UCCE Monterey County

11:15

Breakout groups on possible research collaborations (1. Pest Management, 2. Soil Management, 3. Social, Markets and Economics Analyses)
Dave Chaney, UC SAREP

11:45

Lunch (organic menu)

 

12:45

Washington State University Organic Agriculture Research
David Granatstein, WSU Tree Fruit Research and Extension Center, Wenatchee

1:30

The Political Economy of Organic Production in California: Findings and Reflections
Julie Guthman, Department of Geography, UCB

2:00

SAREP/County UCCE Organic & Sustainable Programs Panel
Oleg Daugovish, Farm Advisor, UCCE Ventura County, Steve Quirt, Organic Program Coordinator, UCCE Marin County, Annie Eicher, Organic Program Coordinator, UCCE Humboldt County

3:10

Planning for additional workgroup/County-level/statewide organic farming research and extension activities (group discussion)

4:00 Meeting Evaluation, Adjourn



MEETING NOTES/MINUTES


SAREP activities
Update on statistics: COPAC Regulatory rules for CA become effective Jan 1, 2003. Rick Melnicoe and Sean are working on stats for this entity. Organic represents 1-2% of irrigated acres in CA (~197,000 acres registered)


Milt McGiffen, UC Riverside

Nitrogen content:

 

Eric Brennan, Salinas Valley USDA-ARS

The work initially focused on cover crops.

Questions:
Any other weeds besides nettle? No, too predominated by nettle.

Size of study plots too small? Plots were too narrow in first study. This year the plots are wider (newly funded study) about 4 acres. Also in the organic plot they have a diversity of weeds, not just nettle.

 

National Organic Program Update
Stacey Carlsen, Marin County Ag Commissioner
Ray Green, CA State Organic Program


Speaking on compliance issues. Implementation of national rule is now being enforced. CA Organic Program (CDFA) is home for federal regulatory program with Ray Green.
Marin County is an official certification organization.

Materials review is being done in the SAREP office. Anyone can also get onto the web site to determine if a material is allowable.

Questions to discuss

1.

National Organization Program is a program to register organic. It’s an international program, also; any product must meet the standards. A government to government negotiation of an equivalency agreement determines acceptability. The other option is to grant approval when a product comes in. (There are no equivalency agreements yet). This is not a front line enforcement program. It sets up and approves accredited certifiers. Growers do not interact with USDA. They interact with certifiers. USDA can give and remove certification. State of CA has had a program since 1992. When CA becomes official, will replace the NOP. It will be the enforcement arm. Currently must go through the regulatory process to change the standards. There will be changes over time. National Standards Board, etc. Advantage is that growers have protection of constitution for example if there are problems between a grower and a certifier.CA will be the intermediary. CA will be the NOP of California.

 

2.

Multiple layers: State registration plus certification. State organic registration program has the ability to monitor all certifiers. They do spot inspections. This ensures consumer confidence. To be certified, growers pay a fee to certifier. To be registered, they pay a fee to state (used for education, etc.) Growers must register with Ag Commissioner (same as state). Two way: oversight of local registrations by the county; state has oversight of local programs.

County does inspections, and compliance with three year transition period. They do on sight inspections to make sure growers are growing what they say and complying with requirements. Registration is just a declaration that you are organic (necessary but not sufficient for “certified organic”). Everyone will be required to be certified but registration just gets you into the system. (Some are exempt based on income). In CA you have to be both registered and certified in order to make any claim about being organic.

Registration gives county and state a benchmark to follow who is coming into the organic business. Registration is required for anyone who claims to be organic. Prior to the sale of food/crop, you must be registered. You don’t have to be registered or certified while you are transitioning.

Procedural part of the program is not the issue. The way the person is growing being consistent with organic practices is the critical part—the process. How we document that process, is the most important part. Marinhad to develop criteria for documenting the process.What is the motivation for the Ag Commissioner to be a certifier? Interested in the process. There was a groundswell in Marin, and collaborative participation in the issue. It has been an evolution of a program. In Marin, they inspect farmers markets, pesticide use. They are a local service agent for the program. Cost efficiency to the grower is very good. The County can charge a nominal fee. Board of Supervisors of County is very supportive. Funding is to do marketing program for growers, support farm advisor. Cost analysis at the county level is about 8:1 benefit to growers; not really cost effective from the county’s point of view, but that’s OK. It’s a collective effort.

 

3.

Conflict of interest? Enforcement officer and certifier at same time? County has been in enforcement business for a long time. Also have offered certification. Stacy does not see a conflict here.

 

4.

Now growers have to pay two fees. Is that adjusted? Ray says, “Yes, it’s higher now.” Most growers have been paying both state registration and certifiers. Certification has come down somewhat to be competitive.

 

5.

What about the concentration issue? Only 2% of growers grow about 75% of the product. Ray: there are ways for growers to cut costs, e.g., umbrella groups. For example, Marin Organic works as a collective group Growers are certified individually, but they work together to enhance efficiency.

 

6.

CCOF takes something off a grower’s gross with their certification. That seems a conflict of interest too. A:Marin County is just looking to help their growers. It’s based on a food delivery system that serves the local markets. They are trying to promote a local sustainable system. Marin is trying for a lager, more sustainable vision and they have attached additional standards to their application to become a certifier, which the federal government didn’t like. The feds didn’t want them to have standards higher than the USDA. But they wanted something more.

 

7. Are we seeing people dropping out of the organic program altogether? Yes, some are dropping the organic claim altogether, and each is for a different reason. However, there doesn’t seem to be a mass exodus.Some drop for philosophical reasons, some for costs, some because they don’t like the record keeping. Rgreen@cdfa.ca.gov



Brian Baker

Worked with Chuck Benbrook doing pesticide work. Also works with Consumers Union (Karen Lutz Benbrook)

Study Objectives:

Results:

Many residues in organics were due to persistent DDT.


Based on diets of infants and children, reason to believe that risks are underestimated for above reasons. So organic foods are less likely to have pesticides, but are the pesticides lower? In 69% of cases residues were lower in crop samples (converse also, higher in 31%). But a lot of the residue was for pesticide not registered for that crop (due to drift?). (Comment: the 31% is not ADDED by organic farmers, but rather there inadvertently.)

Apples Azinphos methyl residues about 10x higher in “no claim” crops studied.
Pre-plant herbicides in the foggy areas drift and disperse to other, including organic, plots.

Legal limit for organic is 20x stricter for organic than for conventional (5%). Compliance level for conventional is higher.

Consumer Union data set is in between primary and secondary data. Would like to do more primary studies, but it’s a funding issue.

 

Bill Chaney, Farm Advisor, UCCE Monterey County
Challenges of Organic Pest Control Research in Vegetable Crops

Are organic, IPM and conventional production systems different from a researcher’s standpoint (other than pesticide choices)?

How do we define organic (Federal standards; CA standards; Private certification?)

Definitions:

Division between “philosophic organic” vs. “economic organic”


No materials can be applied on organic land that are not already OMRI approved. Problem is that there is an economic risk for growers to apply materials not already approved. This is also a problem, then, for research.

Negative results are not readily accepted by organic community. “You didn’t do it right” or “It works on my farm” or “there’s more to it than that.” It’s different with conventional growers. They will tend to believe the researchers more. Sean asks if the level of skepticism is different. Chaney says he does see a difference.


Organic fields are always “treated,” i.e., there are no untreated controls, so it’s hard to make comparisons.

Conventional: Which sledgehammer to use; how much do I spray when; silver bullet

Organic: How to manage the system to control problems; whole systems approach


Research? Why do many conventional researchers avoid organic research?

Funding difficulties; and multiple years needed for experiments.

Hard to publish, no credit (especially in UC system). UC people get the most credit for fast publications.

Why do it? NEED for it; more interesting; more funding is becoming available; responsibility to do it.

What Bill Chaney and Franklin Dlott are working on:


Chaney is now getting more support from commodity boards.

Benny Fouche does work on small plots, but it’s hard because you don’t get the beneficials. This “system” makes it harder.

Chaney does not see his role as giving a grower a finished product that they can use in the field. Sees his role as giving them tools. He wants to go to land that has been organic for a long time and do trials in that environment (works with grower cooperaters).
Even large “economic” organic growers are losing money ($ per acre).

 

David Granatstein, Washington State Univ. Cooperative Extension
Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources, Wenatchee, WA

 

Recent Activities

 

 

Julie Guthman,UC Berkeley
Political Economy of Organic Production in Calif: Findings and Reflections

The structure of the organic farming sector

  1. Mixed growers
  2. Micro gowers
  3. Revenue concentration
  4. Oligopsony (def: A market condition in which purchasers are so few that the actions of any one of them can materially affect price and the costs.)

 

Panel of County Organic Farm Advisors:
Steve Quirt, UCCE Marin County
Annie Eicher, UCCE Humboldt County
Oleg Daugovish UCCE, Ventura County

Ventura, Oleg Daugovish


Marin, Steve Quirt

 

Annie Eicher Humboldt County Organic Farm Advisor


Profile of Humboldt County organic farmers

1. Research Projects in 2002

2. Education

3. External Funding

Organic Workgroup plans

Dave Chaney on Organic Workgroup Activities
Potential Funding Sources for Organic Research

1. Pursue workgroup ratification?

2. Special issue of Cal Ag on organic.


NOTES FROM BREAKOUTS GROUPS (11:15 SESSION ON POSSIBLE RESEARCH COLLABORATIONS)

Brainstorm/Idea Lists

Group 1: Pest Management Topics

Pest Mgmt- Collaborators


Group 2: Social, Market, and Economics Analysis

Group 3: Soil Management

Cover Crops: Breeding cover crops to produce forms of organic matter that persist in
The soil. To improve the physical properties of soil. Applicable to conventional as well as organic growers.

Collaborators: breeders, biochemists

Cover Crops:


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